I’ll never forget the first time I heard Girl Talk. One of my altest bros sent me the CD. He couldn’t believe I hadn’t heard Girl Talk yet. He was like “U HAVEN’T HEARD NIGHT RIPPER? IT’S FCKNG AMAZING, BRAH?” We had a party to attend later that night, and instead of pre-partying with faggie electro, we decided to hear some wacky mashups. I saw my alt-bro’s eyes light up as he exclaimed, “OMG. Is that James Taylor? This R0X0RZ!”
[This picture represents Girl Talk becoming comfortable in his own shoes as one of the world's top alternative celebrities.]
This blog post is intended to confront the issue: “IS GIRL TALK MAINSTREAM OR ALT?” I think he’s one of the most difficult alt-artists to decide whether or not you are supposed to like because:
- He doesn’t ‘make’ his own music
- He looks like a mainstreamer gone alt
- His shows are no longer enjoyable because of the seas of tweens dressed in neon, & frat bros on their annual ‘alt night’
- DJs are easy to resent
- so many people who know too much about music enjoy him too much
- so many uninteresting people think they are interesting bc they like him.
GIRL TALK has entered the genre of ‘music that uninteresting people like in order to seem more interesting.’ He has joined other top Hypemachine artists like Radiohead, Coldplay, MGMT, and whoever else has been ‘popular’ for the past 3 months. He has become the kind of artist who is ‘acclaimed’ no matter what he does, so it doesn’t even really matter whether or not his product is good any more. It will always be bloggable/magazine blurbable, and it will always be somewhere around decent, but since he has the most justified brand of ‘mashups’, he will be able to get away with it even though most people will say ‘mashups R DEAD.’
When Girl Talk comes to town, people will come to party. Altbros, fratbros, and creepy 30 year olds who buy 18 year olds drinks will come ready to grind. Teen alt sluts will wear their zany sunglasses for the first time at night when they get on stage with Girl Talk. Communities in the Midwest are proud that they are alternative enough to host Girl Talk concerts.
An interesting thing about Girl Talk is that alt musical historians are unwilling to concede whether he is mainstream or alt. When he first started out, he was apparently rlly conceptual. He played music that was crappy and no1 liked, and had to use gimmicks like ‘getting drunk’ and ‘having skanky backup dancers’ as he played to audiences of no1/probably weirdo goth-alt people. Gregg Gillis used 2 be ‘underground’, because ‘underground’ means that u r crappy & no1 likes u.
Then I guess he discovered what Girl Talk 2.0 was all about with MASHUPS, and was able to take advantage of the golden days of DJs back in 2007. (s000 long ago). For the rest of eternity, Diplo and Girl Talk will be the only ‘DJs/laptop DJs/non-DJs’ who are allowed to make mashups & not get shit 4 it. “Night Ripper” was an album made before it was intended to BLOW UP. I think that’s why so many people feel comfortable with it, since there was no hype. It was more like stumbling upon a really interesting episode of Frasier that made you think about life. You would be alright without it in your life, but it’s pretty okay that it came in2 your sphere of consciousness.
With added expectations, “Feed the Animals” was only going to be ’something that d-bags said they liked’ or ’something that d-bags decided not to like without even listening to it.’
FEED THE ANIMALS
I didn’t really listen to ‘Feed the Animals.’ I listened to some of the first couple of tracks, but in all honesty, it was WAAAY too black-ish for me. I felt kind of like I had accidentally bought a rap CD and then drove home from my local record store as a black man yelled at me about metaphors that only urban people and empty white suburbanites pretend to understand. I think an issue might be ‘hip hop is not authentic enough any more’, so GirlTalkBro had to use a bunch of the gimmicky Top40 songs that it’s difficult to identify with.
Issues with FEED THE ANIMALS:
- Track Selection wasn’t ALT-enough. “GIRL TALK DOES NOT CARE ABOUT ALT PEOPLE.” -Kanye West
- There was no Justice, Teenagers, other gimmicky ‘indie/electro’ hits that he should have included to repay the mainstream alts who have enabled him to play to sold out shows of entry-level alts/mainstreamers/bros/bros-who-grind-on-any-piece-of-ass for the past 1.5 years.
- TOO BLACKISH. I mean, SRSLY. I don’t GET rap, and I can’t identify most of the choruses/lyrics without the annoying original tracks behind them.
- Overall, it didn’t really ‘get my attention’ and ’suck me in’ to a world that ‘represented an escape’ from ‘how seriously I am supposed to take music.’ It didn’t make me ‘want 2 have fun’ and ‘4get about important things’ and just ‘get my dance on’ and ‘get my drank on’ with a ‘group’ of my ‘closest’ ‘friends.’
But yeah, it doesn’t even really matter, bc it is a Girl Talk album, and it’s art! And when a lot of people like a product like this, it’s really beautiful. Our society has come a long way. It’s amazing. So just chill out and be happy that we live in a world connected by wires where people can hear media like mashup albums. It’s great, yall. I mean, I’m happy that I have this outlet for yall to even read what I’m thinking. Let’s not focus on being disappointed by ‘Feed the Animals’, and just take some time to appreciate what it means 2 live in the internet age. Love yall.
Other questions/thoughts:
- Why does HRO only ‘review’ mixtapes that are released as ‘albums’?
- If you were disappointed by ‘Feed the Animals’, you are REALLY going to hate his next album.
- I think an interesting about Gregg Gillis is that he is ‘a smart dude in a good situation.’ Most alternative celebrities and real celebrities are usually idiots who got lucky and now get to display their terrible personalities for a living. Gregor Gillis
- I think I read that Girl Talk has had a long-term girlfriend through his alt-celeb-status transition. Maybe he should dump her and get more tugjobs?
- I read that in the future, Girl Talk is planning to make ‘new songs out of old songs’ as opposed to straightforward mashups. That’s going to go TERRIBLY, but I think he’ll be closer to his roots as a conceptual artist. Hopefully he is able to put food on the table.
- Overall, I am extremely comfortable with Gregory Gillis not expecting me to pay for his music. It makes our relationship a lot better. I’m glad I didn’t have to steal his album from him, and he is glad that I gave him $0 for his new album.
- SRSLY though… why didn’t he use more BLOG HOUSE gimmicky music? [tracklisting]
What can we learn from Gregory Gillis (AKA The Girl Talks)?
Greg Gillis has perfected the Mainstream-Alt Vortex. When you are an artist or a brand that is sucked into the mainstream-alt vortex, it is more difficult for consumers to pin you down as ‘being authentic’ or ‘being popular’. In most circumstances, you can only be ‘authentic’ or ‘popular.’ There is no middle ground. However, an artist like GIRL TALK is constantly hovering between being considered super authentic/innovative, but at the same time a safe, popu
lar choice for people who may or may not be ‘taking a risk’ by liking ’something s000 random.’
This cycle makes no sense, but neither does Girl Talk.
CAN SOME1 PLZ EXPLAIN GIRL TALK? IS HE ALT OR MAINSTREAM? IS HE UNDERGROUND OR POPULAR OR AUTHENTIC OR AUTH-CORE?
Anyways, GIRL TALK is here to stay, so we might as well get used to him because one day he will be playing Fortune 500 Annual Conclaves to get employees fired up.
XX BONUS XX
Remember the time Girl Talk got a $500 Taco Bell Coupon and gave tacos away to attendees of his concert?
[Girl Talk should be hired by summer camps to make groups of kids shut up, but then get them excited.]
Remember when Greg Gillis got shut down after some college bro got tasered, and then had to rally the troops to ‘find the next great party?’
[I love Girl Talk's "let me level with you, bro" voice of reason in this video]
xx BONUS GIRL TALK alt Vs. mainstream image analysis xx
S0 MAINSTREAM
Just a bro from Pittsburg makin some tunes!
I have a beard, yes! I wear a Pirates hat.
I am transitioning into my alt existence. I am feeling comfortable with more attention than ever. I am simply ready to party. I have an emerging niche market
I will sell t-shirts to mainstreamers.
I have mastered my kraft (mstrd my krft).
I have found my alternative mainstream existence. My journey is over. Consumers will pay what they want for my album. I hope Prince doesn’t sue me.
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86 Comments
how could you forget the time he did a concert with Tay Zonday?
http://electrorash.com/girltalk-and-tay-zonday/
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Yeah I’m so sick n tired of hearing about girl-talk!!!!! “Feed the Animals” was ight, but for some strange reason I’ve heard all of this before!!!
Thanks for wasting my internet cap Greg!
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will someone tell me the difference between girl talk and the music that cheerleaders did routines to in high school?
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http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoafYkFs.html
mind yer spkrs-
dunno if i’d want the $100 voiceover…i think that’s what he says
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Carl, I drank a whole bottle of fucking wine till I read the whole thing, bro.
old hro 2k8.5 is back, cmmntrs are happi! <3
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Girl Talk is, always has been and always will be shit. It’s got Black-Eyed Peas on it ffs. (Personally I was always hoping Fergie’s lady lumps were malignant…)
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agreed with 6:55. i kno you live for happi cmmntrs carles!!!!!
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This post kind of reminds me of that SNL sketch where Chris Farley is a commentator who uses air quotes way too much.
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let me level with you, bro: major lolz
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longest post EVERR!! it will take me all summer to read that.
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girl talk = totally douchey
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thank you for this post carles
but you should have blogged about how mashup djs like easter egg, immuzikation or the abrahammer can only break through if they are said to be “better than girl talk”
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ha, really enjoyed the comment about the frasier episode.
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Love it!
I’m not a big fan either.
Not the way I roll.
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//////////Reply by daniel
//////////Posted November 4th, 2008 at 5:58 am
@Mindgutter, just let me hera from u
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//////////Reply by Melanie
//////////Posted December 25th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I think girl talk is good because it can help your pereants with the things they need to tell you
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uhhh u expect us 2 red all that? i got tugs to give i dunt have time to reed all that shit. srry carlos or w/e ur name is aoki is having a secret party and id rather be at that
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EPIC POST. I have to admit i showed up to this whole alt/electro scene at the same time I was listening to night ripper and I was like oh is he alt? but never thought it more past that. now its a walking the line scene where you gotta watch who you say you like girl talk to. night ripper was awesome, best mash up for sure. but I can understand the hate on feed the animals.
tl;dr agreein that girl talk is tricky.
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girl talk is pretty legit. they are mashups so what can you expect? still probably the best mashups out there.
people are hating on him like hes kanye west. whats up with that?
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why would anyone hate on the GT/GG?
all the bro wants to do is allow anyone and everyone to jam the fuck out and have fun. i think he should have moved on to the “making new songs out of tiny pieces of old songs” thing for feed the animals, though.
and there’s already a shit ton of “hey lets put bad rap vocals ontop of electrobangers”. GT is not needed for that.
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FEED DA ANIMALS = NGHT RPPR 2.0 BUT MOAR BLACKIE / MOAR BRNG
but srsly, GT is blowing it.. if you want mad alt cred you NEED to include sum faggie electro / blog house. otherwise I go back to listening to Lifelike rmxs really fast..
then again, GT is coming to my city rly soon! I’m gonna go creep on barely-legal alts and take my shirt off! w00t!
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Feed The Animails is a masterpiece of HOUSE & HOES
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LOLZies
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GIRL TALK IS MY SHIT I MET HIM AT THE FRAT PARTY IN ST LOUIS AND HE WAS JUST A NORMAL GUY LIKE YOU OR ME AND I SHOTGUNNED A NATTY LIGHT WITH HIM AND THEN WE HAD A DANCE PARTY TO ALL MY FAVORITE RADIO HITS
SURE HE’S ONLY A DJ BUT HE’S THE BEST FEED THE ANIMALS IS WAAAAAY BETTER THAN NIGHT RIPPER SO QUIT THE HATIN
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This is a rly long post about GT. Somebody has a lil crush maybe?
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did t0m from myspace stealz that over the shoulder look from girl talkz or what?!?.
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guys. go have a shower, have some tea with your mom. do you realize your talking and talking and talking about NOTHING?
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is it just me who think that this piece is just as spastic as all the girl talk albums?
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whatever, he’s good at what he does. All this worrying about alt/mainstream is bllsht. Good art/music is good art/music.
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hahaha good post. i was really confused about why GT didn’t put any bloghouse hits either, where is all the electro? where are all the indie-core hits from the last two years? i get to hear mainstream rap everytime i fire up the car radio i dont need it to take over my mashup albums too.
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he’s an ugly bloke with NO TALENT
blog about something else, like RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
DO IT
DO IT
DOOOOOOOOO IIIIIIIIIIIT
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//////////Reply by vayjay
//////////Posted May 25th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
@benny k, -1
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blog about weird motherfuckers that say “bloke”
DOOOOOOOOO IIIIIIIIIIIT
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//////////Reply by vayjay
//////////Posted May 25th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
@Anonymous, +1
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longest post ever
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I Ate A French Dip & Smoked Half A Joint to Calm My A.D.H.D. While Reading This!
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french dips mmmmmm….kush mmmmmmm..what was this post about again?
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..btw the little girls holding up the girl talk shirts are promoting that old 90’s game us females love and remember… …
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gr8 post carles!!
mainsstream gone alt hardly worth listening to imo
“bloke” hahaaha
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“too blackish” ?
your a fucking idiot carles.
your also a sexist asshole.
why does a certain music genre have to belong to only one race?
music and race have nothing to do with each other.
music is music, leave raceout of it.
and btw, “blipster”
is a totally offensive term.
pffft, you sound like the new york times tryin to be cool in that one article.
post more interesting shit carles,
your getting boring.
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//////////Reply by Melanie
//////////Posted December 25th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
@Anonymous, the comment is a good one
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is GIRL TALK a product? does it come in a can? is it french?
OMG this is a post about justice!
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WTF its nigster!
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//////////Reply by Melanie
//////////Posted December 25th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
@Anonymous, what does that mean though
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OMFG is that dood wearing old moms jeans/boooty cut jeans on the partypic with the socks!? brought the lulz
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blipster
a person who is black and also can be stereotyped by appearance, musical taste, and/or social scene as a hipster.
That (black) person, wearing asics tigers, black-rimmed glasses, and dancing to the new be your own pet song is a “blipster.”
Famous Blipster: the singer from Bloc Party.
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replace “blipster” with “niggster”
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just because he doesnt use faggy electro beats does not mean his level of altness declines.
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//////////Reply by Melanie
//////////Posted December 25th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
@Anonymous, but y is it that girls cant ask boys out but boys can ask girls
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rejoice caucasians the social scale has tipped! you no longer have to pretend to like “LIL” wayne or anyone who uses “LIL” before theyre name!
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“I just got this cd called feed the animals by Girl Talk. Some Dj from pittsburg… Really good mashups you would dig it”
real comment i got on facebook from one of my mainstream in disguise as alt friends. one time he tried to teach me justice but i didn’t git it.
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TL; DR
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way to blackish! way!
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GT is riding a mechanikal bull in a rodeo where every1 is riding real bullz, and every1 in the crowd is cheering him on b/c it’s ironik and funny and b/c he’s wearing an alt americcnappy cowboy costume, but it’s just silly, and soon every1 will realize it, and then every1 will stop going 2 the rodeo b/c/ it’s cruel.
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DEF TL;DR
I ONLY LISTEN TO LUDACHRIST FOR KRAZY MASHUPS ANYWAYS I THINK THEY ARE AUTHENIC ALT BUT NOT 100% SURE
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HRO!!!! Post of the year! That was EPIC..so tru and so funny (SO RAND0M!) LOL
LOL!
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//////////Reply by Melanie
//////////Posted December 25th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
@Bryan, but how do they do that
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Obviuosly you are very passionate about ur GT…..(good titts)
i feel the same way!!!!
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GT/GG is mainstream. What sort of hipster listens to Rick Ross? Or Akon?
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can I get serious for a min?
I don’t like how the entire album is basically the same bpm. There is no momentum, there is no peek. Just different songs pitch shifted to the same BEATS PER MIN.
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it’s pittsburgh with an H biiiitch
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i l00k wai 2 seriuz n dat vid.
i v0w 2 nevr where ne0n agin.
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hro doesn’t like black people
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white people “doesn’t” like black people
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girltalk has always been a self-aware mainstreamer out to disrupt alt culture! when has any of his albums had any current cool indie hits? never! ther’e sometimes an old pixies track or on the new one, there’s yo la tengo, air, the cure, etc. but outside of that, he’s always been fucking with alt-culture by bringin in mainstream-ness! he makes people second guess what their interests are. i think he’s out to destroy justice, the teenagers, every alt-band, etc. he’s basically saying “wouldn’t you rather listen to UGK!???????” mainstream is the new alt, duh
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your girltalk timeline is WAY OFF buddy! he used to be WAY more ALT in the early days. he used to wear crazy bright colored clothes and giant nikes, like the male version of MIA in fashion, before that was ALT dresscode. he used to wear weird borderline child predator glasses. i’m not positive of this, but i’m pretty sure the pics of him that you claim are MAINSTREAM are from his days at his dayjob. those really normal pics are from when he was working as an engineer because he had to look like that. he was way ALT prior to that and since quitting, he’s gone on to the CCR 70’s jesus look. those MAINSTREAM pics are middle-era girltalk.
he’s a difficult timeline to put together!
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that bro that got tazed was my roommate. He was super-drunk, but then he got sober when the prongs stuck in his back. That was the most exciting thing that happened at my school all year.
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that bro that got tazed was my roommate. He was super-drunk, but then he got sober when the prongs stuck in his back. That was the most exciting thing that happened at my school all year.
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That green glasses and scarf alt style pic is from before the mainstream over the shoulder tom from myspace style pic
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Girl Talk is gonna get his major mainstream break when Much Music commissions him to do Much Dance 2k9. Maybe he can become their resident DJ (the next DJ Dopey?) and do their awesome Much Music Video Dance parties.
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all of girl talks albums have been focused around rap music. feed teh animals has as much rap as night rippey
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IS IT A MEMORABLE POST ? ? !! !?
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get over it….the niggs lost
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easter egg
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Feed the Animals was lame. Autorock is doing what GirlTalk was doing with his previous album, but better and for free-ninety-nine. Let me put on my un-PC hat and agree that Girltalk is an excuse for alt-bros to listen to the same Top-40 southern hip-hop that all the d-bags and frat dudes drunkenly grind to. Now I can’t bring my little blipster heinie to the alt-club without some hipster shaking their bootie at me, giving me a pound and going “yea gurl u B workin it”! Thanks Girl Talk!
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THIZ P0ST IS TEH GRRL TALK UV BLOG EYE LV IT11111111111111
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self-aware mainstreamer! too alternative to be alt = self-aware mainstreamer!
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Carles,
In the past I’ve found this blog hilarious. I could see myself making babies with this blog, tenderly massaging this blog after a hard day at the office, even, dare I say, giving this blog a messy tubjob in a dirty Motel 6 where closer inspection of the sheets reveals blood and lovestains. No longer. In all seriousness, I’m appalled at the phrasing with which you objected to this album on the grounds. “TOO BLACKISH”? As a Caucasian commenting on the actions of another of his vein, I’m pretty fucking disappointed the way you’ve chosen to phrase your reservations. That, along with some of the actually racist comments left here, makes me ashamed to be a hipster.
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this entire post, comments and all contributors,
has made me extremely disturbed.
wtf? srlsly? wtf?
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After reading this long, over analytical article, one exact sentance left a bad taste in my mouth. ” are we supposed to like Girl Talk because…” To me, this is where a huge problem of “hip” society stems. People should be confiedent enough to make their own decisions to what they like and don’t like without first consulting a third party. (i.e. this blog) Girl Talk is what it is,nothing more or less. It’s experimental, edgy, creative, and most of all the product of some cat having a good time mixing different styles and generes of music. Why are you SUPPOSE to like Girl Talk? Make up your own fucking mind, I dare ya, if you want to be mindless sheep following the herd of the retarded masses, watch Opra
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surely 100% of these comments were made by the guy who wrote this amazing rant
he is me
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fuck GT. all he does is play fucking medleys of other songs. my gradpa fucking does that on his accordion.
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i hate girl talk
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what rlly pisses me off about GT is that 9/10 of his mashups rlly suck. I mean there’s some good shit but most of it doesn’t rlly sound that good. I read a post on panda toes (http://pandatoes.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-girl-talk-song-well-more-or-less.html) about a bunch of mashup posers who want to be GT but their music is fucking way better than his. So rlly he is now taking the spotlight from all the authentic posers/mashupers. people like his music just bc he is girl talk not bc his music is good.
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except ideologies, social status an created styles are shit
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As far as I can tell, Crls is saying that if you listened to (and liked a little) when Night Ripper first came out, then you are authentic/alt.
For what its worth I would like to put things in a little perspective. There is no such thing as “the Good” or “Quality” or “authentic” or “alt.” It follows then that when we use these words we are merely observing what the relevant community asserts. So Crystal Castles (for e.g.) is only “good” b/c the hipster community says it is good. Whether u like CC doesn’t matter b/c nobody gives a shit what you think or like.
Now some things follow from the above: 1. the safest place to be in the hipster pack is not too far ahead or too far behind but cruising in the middle. Now if ur the last person on earth to have gotten hip to CC then ur probably not w/ it. On the other hand, if ur comsuming some culture b/4 anyone else in the hipster pack has consumed then ur out on a limb b/c the pack may not run that way. Of course u might get lucky and the pack will run that way… Now I suppose it might argued that a particularly savvy person can predict which way the pack will run, but this is really a case of cruising in the middle of the pack. Think about it.
Okay so the point is, don’t worry about whether ur tastes are hip or good. NOBODY’s tastes are alt or good, b/c “authentic”, “alt” “good” & “quality” don’t exist apart from the pack.
don’t worry about being the first to consume a bit of hip culture. U really don’t want to be that guy that is into god-knows-what music that lives and dies in complete obscurity.
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theres a huge difference between listening to real music and listening to girl talk.
girl talk does to music what sesame street did to kids = major ADD/ADHD. if you want a mashup get a 30-45 minute or longer DJ set if you still have the attention span for music.
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srsly, GT is so main
if he refilters popjunk than he can’t be alt
he has skillz but his heart is confused
if he stole alt sounds and made good mash
thn he’d be king of sweet musik
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As much as I don’t like Girl Talk, the comments on this blog are appalling. Too blackish? That’s not even a good adjective nor is it a real word. It’s fucking ignorant. Also, how is this a long blog? The people who commented that it is too long to read must never have finished grade school.
Anyways, yeah I would consider Girl Talk pretty mainstream, in the sense that he plays mostly mainstream music. However, as a DJ he’s shit. It’s all about Gilles Peterson, Boys Noize, and DJ Shadow. THOSE GUYS CAN DJ. At least they use more than a laptop (and if you have watched how GT makes a mash up, it’s not even up to date anymore)…
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How ‘good’ Girl Talk ‘is’ = how ‘ironic’ Girl Talk ‘is’
Night Ripper was ‘good’.
Feed The Animals was not ‘good’.
what is ‘ironic’ carles?
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why the hel does every1 care so much?
LIKE GT IF U LIKE GT DONT LIKE GT IF YOU DONT LIKE GT!
carles your a fuck
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I certainly disagree about Feed The Animals V.S. Night Ripper.
You say FTA is “too Black-ish”, but I actually found Night Ripper more deserving of that title.
Feed the Animals flows WAAAAAY better than Night Ripper, and is pretty much consistent with its entertainment value throughout.
Where as Night Ripper has little blips of Awesome, but most of it just doesn’t click with me, and every so often borders on annoying.
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Hipsters try WAY too hard to prove their legitimacy when it comes to musical taste. Listen to what makes you feel good, what makes you move, not what your peers tell you to listen to.
If it annoys you, don’t listen. Just don’t try to impress everyone with your selective and underground musical taste, it just makes you look like whiney douche bags. Besides, you miss out on having a lot of fun with that stick shoved up your collective hipster ass.
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why do you give a shit whether he is mainstream or alt, either you like it and it gives you an emotional response or it doesn’t and if it doesn’t then just don’t listen to it. simple
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