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RAVE or DIE

Does any one else feel like RAVES are ‘authentic music festivals’? I feel like ‘music festivals’ should really just become drug-fueled parties where people dress in zany costumes and entrylevel alts attempt to find meaning by listening to music/dancing/’trying drugs 4 the first tyme.’

Instead of getting ’sponsorship’ from companies who are trying to reach ALTS, raves start on a grassroots level, kind of like Democratic Presidential Candidates.

Just thought I’d ‘cover a rave’ to bring more value 2 my blog since a lot of other music blogs cover music festivals a lot.

All photos by theAvironSnake.

/////RAVE/////
///OR////////
/DIE////////

Raves are a home for postAlts who live in purgatory. Much like myspace is a place for friends, raves are a place for zany accessories.

Yall…whats that thingie in his mouf?

Is this picture of SoMe the equivalent of seeing a sex tape with a political leader? <3 scandals <3

Kreepster of the nite///he got the most drug-fueled tuggles.

Ravers are so innovative that they have found a new way to make HEART with their fingers/hands.

‘We told our parents that we were going to see The Dark Knight.’

‘I shouldn’t have eaten Taco Bell b4 I did ecstasy.’

Ravers are like the beta version of Modern Japanese people.

Ravers carry backpacks full of ________.

Did yall hear that _______ is gonna hire this thing as a backup dancer? He’s a blessing for the alternative Economy. He is visiting from hell, after breaking through the crust of the Earth in the middle of France.

Raving is an equal opportunity experience.

My favourite ravers are the baby AZNs

What suicide girls will look like in 2k20.

You will see an altBro at every event you attend for the rest of ur life.

//part of the altBro Never dies /////

Have yall been 2 any authentic raves lately?
How do yall feel about raves?
What’s the difference between an AUTHENTIC raver, and an ‘alt dressed like a raver’, and a ‘mainstreamer dressed like a raver’?
What do drugs feel like?

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72 Comments

  1. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    first

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  2. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:08 am | Permalink

    post more kreepster's & alt-preneur's!

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  3. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:13 am | Permalink

    that tweaking 2k20 bitch on the right looks like she can give tugjobs with her eyes-damn i just came

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  4. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:18 am | Permalink

    /\ yeah right, more like she can castrate ur dick- dam i just got circumsized

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  5. Derek
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    I want to go to a rave. ryte naow.

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  6. uraCUNT
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:21 am | Permalink

    fucking ravers need to die already

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  7. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:30 am | Permalink

    ‘altbro’s don’t die’ these lil’ fuckers seem resilient, is this some how related to their secret mystical hand gestures that seem forever changing?

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  8. jackie
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:38 am | Permalink

    didn’t know alt raves existed… going to attend one in nyc i expect that to be more alt than the philly one full of candy kids and homos

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  9. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:44 am | Permalink

    hmmm. why do their mouths look all funny and lobsided?

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  10. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    which part of the altbro never dies??? i need to know for a school project

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  11. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    Mostly everyone in these photos don’t look older than fifteen. And raves are stupid.

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  12. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:00 am | Permalink

    "Did yall hear that _______ is gonna hire this thing as a backup dancer? He's a blessing for the alternative Economy. He is visiting from hell, after breaking through the crust of the Earth in the middle of France."

    That could be one of the most innovative statements you've made in awhile. im giggling as i write this. <3 U CARLES, plz tug me when our eyes meet on the subway tomorrow.

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  13. JSHAW
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    i dnt even kn00000 wht thhiiiizzzz psttttboutttt buttttt i am ddddddrunkkkkkkkzzzzzzzzzzz wiiiittttt tititititititititititititizzzzzzz

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  14. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:05 am | Permalink

    ecstasy is just not kewl yall. it's not 2k1 N E more.

    vodka and blow 4EVR&EVR. keep it classy.

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  15. yusef
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    if i get a tuggle of tugs, how many tugs is that

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  16. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:07 am | Permalink

    FUCK RAVERS

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  17. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:31 am | Permalink

    i use to rave when i was younger…these photos bring back bad memories that i like to laugh at.
    i wasnt into the whole dress like a slut and hook up with everyone cause i was on EEEEEEE though.
    i hung with the alt bros outside and bummed cigarettes until 4 am and danced until i decided i should probably go home and change to be at work in an hour at the coffee shop.

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  18. littlesparrow
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    lets do xtc n get nsty! <3

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  19. somehpstr
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:38 am | Permalink

    paparazzi is a shitty dj

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  20. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 5:08 am | Permalink

    very solid post.. some of those kids are pure fggts but i could get down in the rave scene

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  21. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    Raves/Rave Music> Indie Rock/Festivals

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  22. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    post needs more kevin barnes.

    and drugs are the only source of pure unadulterated happiness…. highly recommended. i’m tired of all these fuckn losers seeking “true life fulfillment”.

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  23. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    That white thing is a Vix Vapor Stick!!! ahaha it feels good on x/tc.

    The Justices are playing a rave!!!HARD on halloweeniess.

    what are y’all gonna be for halloween?
    is treak or treating ironic?

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  24. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    NOOO CRLSES! PLZ DO NOT BLOG ABOUT JOHN HOCKE! the myspacer/ turned stickcam “celeb” in the first picture! he has the whole “famous for doing nothing ” thing down way too well, dont let him invade this popular weblog too!
    plus his nudes are on the webbz

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  25. Deckland Scorpius
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    wow, ravers are truly universal, they look exactly the same if not worse in sydney, what I want to know is, what was CBRSNK doing at a rave? im happy not to go within 50 km’s of a rave..

    filthy, thanks for the laugh crls.

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  26. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    That’ll teach him not to break up marginaly successfull 90’s faux-punk bands causing all the member to record shitty solo albums and/or form new shitty bands. Some people call this karma but most of those people are choads.

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  27. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    raving finished over then years ago. don’t have a fucking clue what this shit is but if i was pilling and there it would be hellish.

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  28. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    0MGZ IS THAT A RETARD DOING E???
    WTF
    that’s amazing

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  29. sheep come in different colors
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    this is a bit off-topic but it’s not that far off:

    CAN WE PLEASE ADDRESS HOW MANY BANDS/GROUPS/ARTISTS/DOOSHES HAVE THE WORD “CRYSTAL” IN THEIR NAME NOW?
    Crystal Castles
    Crystal Stilts
    Crystal Arcade
    pleae add more!

    They’re crystals becasue you can see through them! yay

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  30. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    fkn H8 RAVES S000 bad

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  31. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    what is up with gothy/joker ravers in 3rd pic?

    also do you think SO ME got tugged by the 8 ft tall raver slut with the black tutu that night?

    hope so yall.

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  32. Gargamello
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    “Ravers are like the beta version of modern Japanese people”

    That’s a great line. Bravo sir.

    Btw, what the fuck is up with your name? Carles?? Carlos is a nice name, Les is a great name esp if you like to play the geetar, and Charles is good if you’re old school. But Carles just sounds profoundly confused. Fix it bitch.

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  33. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    “Ravers are like the beta version of Modern Japanese people.”

    HAhahahahaha! LMFAO

    Bravo Indeed!

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  34. baconeggsandbiscuits
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Drugs feel SoGood.

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  35. Tara
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    why the fuck is cobrasnake encouraging such behavior! he is supposed to help the community. like your local firefighter or rabbi. obviously.
    his job is to make people feel like for going to parties that aren’t authentic/filled with beautiful nameless hipsters and zany celebrities FEEL LIKE SHIT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THEIR LIVES. so why did he photograph I fucking massive? some1 musta got paaaaaaiiid son.

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  36. Euan
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Ah, it is a shame you guys in the US have such LAME raves. we were doin tht sht with at least a modicum of style about 20 yrs ago. Fuck it is lame.

    Having said tht i wnt to go to one of thse raves because the girls are HOT nad look like they give the bst tugjobz. I suppose thats the difference between the UK and the US. these photos are srsly non-authntic. what the fuck R these guys doing? Other than laming it up?

    come to see some ELECTRO club action in GLSGW AND REALISE.

    anyway if i give you some “props” for your beta japanese comment can U hook me up with the blue bandana from the dark knight comment?

    thnks.

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  37. Anonymous
    Posted September 22, 2008 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    hahahah, that black with the dreads in the last pic is wearing airblaster snow pants. wtf.

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  38. Anonymous
    Posted September 23, 2008 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    GOOD x 1220 POST!

    carles, you are blogging so well this week. i can feel a memorable post coming on!

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  39. dadday
    Posted September 23, 2008 at 3:15 am | Permalink

    Jesus Jumproping Christ your remark about ravers being beta Japanese is so spot on.

    Carles mah boiiiiii

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  40. octopus magic
    Posted September 23, 2008 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    remember when raves stopped being cool in like 2003 and everyone started to listen to obscure indie rock and wear really tight pants and make splattery band t-shirts

    now mid nineties rave is back and we’re all gonna watch hackers and tug it to angelina jolie before she went crazy

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  41. Anonymous
    Posted September 23, 2008 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    STOP POSTING PICS OF ALTBROS! They’re lame and unoriginal just like emo’s and goths.

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  42. Anonymous
    Posted September 23, 2008 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    why do people who comment on your blog try to write like you? i think that they see your personal brand as worth copying. i think they need to stop being copy cats. i watched this show last night about the internet, you should check it out otherwise some copy cats could steal your blog :(

    http://www.abc.net.au/iview/default2.htm?seriesId=2356334

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  43. Anonymous
    Posted September 23, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    raves = sad face :(

    sure it flz good 4a while yall, but then you have to deal with coming home @ 5.30 in the morning and changing back into your ‘normal’ alt clothes so mom wont wonder why youre coming home @ 5.30 in the moring looking like you just killed someone while under the influence of pcp…

    man i thot it was xtc…

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  44. Anonymous
    Posted September 24, 2008 at 3:24 am | Permalink

    Going to a rave: laughing at idiots, dancing, getting to put “drugz in our bodiezz”, and getting to wear your old alt accessories that are now passe but nobody knows because they haven’t even found out about them yet. I’d rather do that than go to a party and hear the smash hit “paperplz” again.

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  45. Anonymous
    Posted September 24, 2008 at 5:00 am | Permalink

    hmm good point about “ppr plns.”
    and talking shit at raves haha it’s kinda awesome because everyone’s too fucked up too start shit

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  46. Anonymous
    Posted September 25, 2008 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    ew wtf! the first pic is of John Hock, i beat that fucker up!

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  47. Anonymous
    Posted September 25, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Ravers are like the beta version of Modern Japanese people.

    lolerz

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  48. Anonymous
    Posted October 1, 2008 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    That shit is fun. Knock it all you want, but you have no idea until you get out there and start feeling the vibe. It’s beyond words.

    As far as the KandE rav0rs are concerned: More power to ‘em! Get out there and act a fool now while you’re still young! Dress crazy, take chemicals, shake dat azzzzz! Innovate! Be different! Just be careful, be safe and look out for each other. Keep your shit tight so no cops/EMTs gotta haul yo ass away and bust up everyone’s fun.

    Now, my question is: where the hell were these pics taken? I wanna go!

    Love to all the ravers!

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  49. ryan heath
    Posted October 1, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    back in the day in the bay area there were real raves, different genres of electronic music in several rooms, and several different types of people, like the candy kids that went all out and are rly colorful, the junglists/dnb’rs which were the cool ravers, the raverbros that were drunk and didnt belong there, and much more. it was more than just getting fucked up, looking crazy, and dancing, there was an attitude promoted of peace, love, unity, and respect, and it was beautiful and a wonderful experience. these days i see parties as an evolved rave. theres the crazy looks, getting fucked up, and electronic music, except the attitude has reversed. its just snobs and idiots. and most “raves” that go on these days such as this one is a poor re-enactment of what used to be a good thing. it’s sad. and yes the thing in his mouth is a vicks inhaler which can be used in many ways to “f33l g00d oN t3h xTc”. the backpacks usually have toys, water, gum, vicks inhaler/rub, and your keys.

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    //////////Reply by jade
    //////////Posted

    ryan heath, i so agree with you.

    raves are about plur. peace, love, unity respect.
    and a lot of people at them really are snobby about it cause they’re like “oh look at me i’m so cool i’m at a rave and on drugs”
    but, i did go to one saturday night and i met some really great people, it was pretty awesome.
    so i think the plur attitude is still out there somewhere.

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    //////////Reply by riiiiot
    //////////Posted

    @jade, we’re still out there somewhere.

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    //////////Reply by Jaykee
    //////////Posted

    PLUR is still out there. You just have to know where to look- and a mainstream rave that is announced on the radio, just isn’t it. I am also acustomed to the different types of ravers: the KandiKids, fizzles, etc. haha (I’m from utah. the names are probably weird to everyone else…) There are still good Raves out there, but you have to know what your doing, and DO NOT go for the drugs!!!! ew

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  50. jesse
    Posted October 1, 2008 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    people still say “rave”?

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  51. ablackkid
    Posted October 13, 2008 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    on the third picture down the skinny tall bitch. is that a girl or a guy, i keep seeing her on danceatarena.com and this is obviously edc so do u know?

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  52. joe beer
    Posted October 18, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    give the fucking number to call pleeeeeesssssseeee

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  53. lameo
    Posted December 31, 2008 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    ravers don’t plur anymore and it sux :(

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  54. MexiAlt
    Posted January 2, 2009 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    That was a meaningful post. Nice Carles. Love the altchics scantily clad.

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  55. Posted February 10, 2009 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    lol @ ravers are beta versions of modern Japanese

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  56. clobe from LAX
    Posted March 13, 2009 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    ALRIGHT YOU FAT POTATOE WEDGES THAT SIT ON THE COMPUTER ALL DAY AND HAVE SHIT TO DO BUT TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO EXPERIENCE ANOTHER LIFE

    DONT BE ANGRY THAT WE ARE HAVING MORE FUN THAN YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU CANT LEAVE THE HOUSE BECAUSE YOU ARE SCARED YOU WILL DIE ON WARCRAFT. OR WOW

    SO JUST SUBMIT YOUR NAMES UNDER THE NEXT COMMENT AND I WILL MEET YOU AT THE NEXT RAVE AND YOU SHOW YOU HOW REAL RAVERS GET DOWN

    IT AINT ALL ABOUT THE E & THE DRUGS
    I GREW UP ON TECH & REGGAE
    ALOT OF THE RAVERS GO TO RAVES FOR THE MUSIC NOT FOR THE DRUGS SO GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU TALK SHIT ABOUT RAVERS ON THIS FAGGOT ASS WEBSITE BLOG BULLSHIT THAT YOU COMPUTER FUCKS CREATED ON ANOTHER TAB BECAUSE YOU WERE AFRAID TO LOSE AT WARCRAFT. BITCHES.

    PLUR.. RAVE LIFE
    LAX GO BIG OR GO HOME

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    //////////Reply by dogboots
    //////////Posted

    @clobe from LAX, fat potato wedges hehe

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    //////////Reply by Nevis
    //////////Posted

    @dogboots, i would like to go to a rave, and am also not a fat potato wedge nor am i of the mashed variety, really tho, where can I go to one

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  57. suuck it
    Posted March 17, 2009 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    hey clobe from LAX u sound cute? holla at me yeah?! ;)

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  58. fresh from LAX
    Posted March 18, 2009 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    suck it whoever you are
    suck my cack
    thats my boyfriend

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  59. fresh from LAX
    Posted March 18, 2009 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    && P.S. i helped him write his comment you cack sucker

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  60. suuck it
    Posted March 18, 2009 at 3:54 am | Permalink

    excuuuse me miss fresh from LAX, let that boy choose who he wants. i am sexy as hell! he don’t want your shmugly ass!

    clobe… i want you bad.. ;)

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  61. fresh from LAX
    Posted March 18, 2009 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    WOW BITCH I BET YOURE UGLY FUCK
    and he doesn’t even know who the FUCK YOU ARE

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  62. suuck it
    Posted March 18, 2009 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    hey clobe from LAX (and not speaking to the ugliest third party) .. i just saw your plurlife and o0o0oo.. your a cutie ;) i want to butter your biscuit!! I will be updating you. Oh and I also saw FRESH’S plurlife. You shouldnt be talking honey!!

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  63. ;p
    Posted March 18, 2009 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    FAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  64. ren from LAX
    Posted March 18, 2009 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Im crazy about CLOBE! & stimpy!

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  65. suuck it
    Posted March 22, 2009 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    im horny clobe!

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  66. Mat
    Posted March 26, 2009 at 2:24 am | Permalink

    FUCK RAVERS, YOU FUCKING FAGGOT, I HOPE YOU ALL DIE

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  67. Posted July 16, 2009 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    When Raving was first popular where I live, it was very underground. It was something you kept to yourself, and didn’t display in pictures all over the internet. You didn’t even know where the rave was, until the night of. And you didn’t know one existed unless you were exclusively invited. You had to know the right people. also, Raves weren’t for the funky costumes, and the drugs. I’ve been to the majority of them, sober. It started for the love of the music… The industry is now VERY mainstream, and it’s really frustrating for those of us who raved before it was “the thing” to do…
    Rave stands for : Radical Audio and Visual Experience.
    Plur: Peace, Love, Unity, Respect, but what most people forget is RESPONSIBILITY.
    Raves are NOT about getting fucked up and making out with everyone you meet.
    Personally, I pick something glassy to wear, go with my bestfriends, meet the artists, and have a good time.
    Because I’m there for the experience, I like to REMEMBER the night.
    I have gone rolling, on acid, on mushrooms, etc.
    But it was no where near as good- and I didn’t experiemnt with these drugs until after Rave became very mainstream..

    IF YOUR NOT IN IT FOR THE LOVE OF THE MUSIC, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCK OFF.

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    //////////Reply by another Carles.
    //////////Posted

    @Jaykee,

    The way you speak about the rave culture infers two things: you experienced what most older ravers consider as the ‘golden era’ of raves in the early ’90s or Utah is slow as fuck in catching up with the world. Since you were probably two-years old when raves started peaking, it’s probably the latter.

    Secondly, your ‘rave’ acronym doesn’t apply to all raves in general. I think you’re just referring to a particular event. You can argue that the music played at a rave is ‘radical audio,’ and the ‘visual experience’ help foster the rave atmosphere, but it’s not what ‘rave’ stands for. The term ‘rave’ was used simply because it was an underground phenomenon.

    Drugs and raves are essentially synonymous, regardless of the era. The difference, probably, is that of the quality of the drug. I keep hearing that in the early ’90s, the E was pretty much pure MDMA, as opposed to now when it’s often mixed with cocaine or heroin.

    But you’re right — raves are not about the drugs, it’s for the love of the music. Besides, if you enter a rave already in love with the music, you’re bound to roll harder!

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    //////////Reply by jeremyconwayxxx
    //////////Posted

    @another Carles., i’ve been partying since 94 and there have always been drugs e pills are rareley cut w coke or herion it costs too much usually percs or other pain killers or ephedrine from mexico neway the most important thing to remember is too have fun a rave is a box of crayons a rave on good drugs is the BIG BOX OF CRAYONS with the sharpener play hard it will all be over soon

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  68. ANGELCITYOUTCAST
    Posted August 24, 2009 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    FUCK RAVES FUCKING FAGGOT ASS FREAKS

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  69. anonymous
    Posted September 30, 2009 at 1:53 am | Permalink

    SO MUCH HATE!

    wtf.. seriouslyyyy
    not everyone that goes to raves is on E or on drugs, that is just an ignorant stereotype. All of you have are talking shit and have never even been, man up experience it for yourself instead of making assumptions based on pictures…and if youve been and didnt like it who gives a fuck! your negative comments are just your bullshit excuse to be assholes.

    As for the people that go to raves… give them a chance. I have met some of the chillest most down to earth people at raves… most of which probably know more about music than any of you fucks talking shit.techno/trance/electro have infiltrated nearly all the music that is listened to nowadays. and yeah w/e youre bound to run into assholes and super candied out hardcore ravers… thats just part of that scene.

    RAVES are just like a GIANT fucking party with people who are just down to have a good time, down to meet some new friends, and party the night away! <3 =)

    Peace<3333UnityR-E-S-P-E-C-T

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  70. Doc
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    this is the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen.

    ..and “rave music” is an oxymoron.

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  71. jack
    Posted October 5, 2009 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    nudes

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  72. jack
    Posted October 5, 2009 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    also a way to spread aids

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    //////////Reply by jeremyconwayxxx
    //////////Posted

    @jack, are you serious or do you just not get laid aids man i’ve been partying for 16 yrs @ raves and i’m in the adult film industry, i’m tested every 30 days no aids your comment is rash and uneducated dont hate participate in its pure state raves were untouchable but just look at any group thats fun cool interesting after a while everyone knos about it and then u have to weed out the bad seeds just look at christianity thats the most hypicritical group out there doesnt mean there arent good christians to each their own peace love unity respect with a splash of common sense

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