You might have heard of the recent genrefication of the ‘chillwave movement‘, which was basically a non-collective effort by producers around the world who created mp3s that were lofi, chill, electro jams. Because all of this music was released within a 2 month period, the music media was fortunate enough to be able to ‘group it together’ in order to ‘make it seem more meaningful/coverable.’
I was kinda sad when I found out that some of my fave chillwave hits were actually ’sample-based songs.’ Apparently this is a ‘problem’ that has caused many indie music purist bros to ’shit down upon’ much of the conceptualcore era music and chillwave music. I am conflicted. I feel like the music is ‘good’ and ‘chill’, but something inside of me ‘wants 2 believe that all artists are responsible 4 coming up with their own riffs/melodies/ditties. Not sure how to feel about this ‘epic chillwave scandal.’
Original Chillwave Hit: Neon Indian – Deadbeat Summer
Sampled Song: Todd Rundgren – Izzat Love?
Original Chillwave Hit: Washed Out – Feel it All Around
Sampled Song: Gary Low – I Want You
Do u feel like a metaphorical rug has been pulled out from under U?
When u find out that music is ’sample-based’, do u ‘respect it less’?
Or do u say that ‘finding a sample to use is an art that few musicians can master’?
Is chillwave ‘bullshit’ or ‘legitter than ever’?
I know that rappers and mainstream artists use samples, but it makes me sad to know that ‘indie musicians’ aren’t ‘creative enough’ to come up with their own melodies. Feeling misled, like it might be more authentic to
Seems like you can become ‘a very lucrative artist’ if you sample shitloads of artists from the past. Seems like Kanye West made ‘a shitload of money’ by ripping off songs that were already good.
I feel like I am supposed to consider Daft Punk to be ‘authentic’ even thought their entire albums are electro-fied reinterpretations of classic samples.
Maybe the best musicians in the world aren’t actually ‘original.’ Maybe Girl Talk is a chill bro after all, since he only ‘mashes up’ songs, and doesn’t ‘rip them off.’
Hope that the chillwave era wasn’t just a sham. Feeling naked (metaphorically), not sure who or what 2 believe. Just thought I was listening to good/chill/relevant music, but I guess that it is no longer just ‘buzzworthy mp3s.’ Seems like the mainstream has ‘finally found out’ about chillwave, and we might have to ’say goodbye’ 2 those artists now that Rolling Stone ‘wrote a profile on Washed Out.’
Chillwave was a genre created by the internet, 4 the internet?
Do u support sample-based music?
Is ur life a sample-based life?
Should there be some sort of indie music standards committee that limits the extent to which samples can be used in ‘our scene’?
Should CDs/MP3s make it more clear that a song is sample-based, kinda like how products must list nutritional information/cigarettes must tell u that they will kill u?
Searching for a ‘new aesthetic’ now that summer is over. Want a new ‘movement’ to ‘get jacked up about’/listen to on my iPoddy.
Previous ‘Chillwave’ Coverage
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2009/07/is-washed-out-the-next-neon-indianmemory-cassette.html
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2009/04/should-have-taken-acid-with-yall.html
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/tag/chill-wave
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//////////Reply by Poot
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Pssht, this is some entry level shiz. Boards of Canada were the original chillwave bros.
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//////////Reply by chan
//////////Posted September 25th, 2009 at 7:55 am
@Poot,
ew
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//////////Reply by anon
//////////Posted September 27th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
@chan,
ew to BOC
wtf is wrong w/ you
also samples are awesome who can hate on samples unless its puff daddy shit
//////////Reply by share@cher
//////////Posted September 25th, 2009 at 4:47 am
@jjj, CHILLWAVE GOODBYE FOREVER.
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such obvious shiiiiiiittttttt and rolling stone eats it. does washed out not even cite his references, ??
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//////////Reply by b4hc
//////////Posted September 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 pm
lol i mean sources~
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@hipsterrunoff do an update article on chillwave please carles1:15 AM Sep 20th from txt
think carles listened to my weet, ya’ll
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now i hate daft punk for making money off digitalizing other ppls music
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//////////Reply by tot obv
//////////Posted September 23rd, 2009 at 11:27 pm
@damn, what u dont know that
DAFTPUNK = KANYE+PDIDDY in robodrag
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h8 when ppl sample parts that have been already sampled by other artists
that gary low loop has been sampled by miss kittin and the hacker years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qchlWKzxlBM
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//////////Reply by Troy
//////////Posted September 23rd, 2009 at 11:31 pm
@eedit, that’s cuz the keyboard work on that track rocks, but Gary Low does not. :P
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Fuckin’ A Carles. That Kanye vid blew my mind. I like samples though, :(. Noah does an excellent job at it, I might add. Surprised you didn’t mention Person Pitch here.
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//////////Reply by anthony
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
@Noraa, no kiddin…
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sample shmample. washed out rules your face.
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//////////Reply by b4hc
//////////Posted September 23rd, 2009 at 11:10 pm
@gnar sesh, NOT
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//////////Reply by gnar sesh
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 9:10 am
@b4hc, YUHUHHH
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I feel cheated. :-( :-(:-(:-(
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Sorry this is going to be a long comment.
Well… You can take it a lot of ways. I see a lot of things in play here. The current culture has a heavy emphasis on “meta-” everything. People blog, and post videos on YouTube but the comments are the real life of it.. that’s meta. Digg, Reddit, and other services, they are opsts (and comments) about blogs (which also have comments.. that’s meta-meta-meta-meta content by the time you’re reading someone’s comment on digg about someone’s comment on a blog that was posted on digg.
Meta is all about stuff that’s about other stuff, not the actual stuff. This is sort of similar to all the “post-” movements of Generation-X/Y, but, the meta-culture that is so prevalent these days, instead of being reactive to a previous culture like “post” is instead complimentary to previous cultures and so it’s “meta”.
Nonetheless it’s unique and legit in it’s own right. A good example is all the fetish around things like 80’s cartoon shows. Most of the people that wear Transformers and Ninja Turtle t-shirts proudly weren’t even alive when they were first run or even re-run… but it’s still relevant to their culture, in a side-long way. It’s a culture about innocence and fandom, not about the thing they are ostensibly fans of.
This translates to sample based music as well, being music about music, but also being a unique expression of music. It’s like the sample-based-musician is saying “I’m going to start with this established feeling created by someone else, but then use it and extend upon it to express my personal feelings”. I mean… it’s definitely legitimate and creative music, as evidenced by the fact that the sample based songs have a completely different sound and feeling than the songs they sampled from. They are completely different expressions that share a small common connection via the sample.
That said, there’re more contributing factors to this that think further legitimize it. I think sample based music is the “native” music of the current generation. This is because it’s a cheap and widely available way to make music. If you go back in time in history… Musicians were very focused on piano 100 years ago.. Because that was the most widely available and accessible musical instrument there was lots of media available for in in the form of sheet music transcriptions, and a whole publishing industry making that music available.
Then it was saxophone, then accordions, then guitars, then keyboards, and now — computer software that mixes sample based composition with virtual synthesizers. Anyone can download, for free, a program that can make this kind of music, as well as download assloads of media content to sample from and buy cheap mics and pre-amps to record their vocals (if they want, or just go vocal-less). They can use to a webcam and Windows Movie Maker to put together YouTube videos and get lots of positive feedback from thier peers by posting, commenting and “video response”-ing…
This form of music making, while possible 10 years ago, was not nearly as accessible as it is now. For new musicians today, this is the single most accessible and inexpensive way to make music and express yourself. Guitars? Keyboards? Nope.. $100 minimum + months of practice to learn and more complex (and expensive) gear to record, and you need a band too so you have to coordinate with others? Why bother?
Windows Move Maker, FruityLoops, and Abelton Live are the pianos and accordions of this generation. They are completely legitimate ways of making music. Samples are a classic form of “borrowing art” or “quoting” as jazz musicians will often do (play a little melody from another song in your song to show your homage to a previous work that you admire). This kind of borrowing of art is extremely common in every art form and considered one of the highest forms of praise.
So.. Chillwave artists at large — you cheap bastards — you are legimate musicians and your songs are interesting and fun to listen to. Keep on making music however the hell you want to and don’t let any snobbish indie rockers or Rolling Stones glorifiers change you or what you’re doing. It’s yours and it’s done the way you want, and that’s all it has to be, and it’s exactly what it should be — your music.
Thanks,
Troy
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//////////Reply by zzz
//////////Posted September 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 pm
@Troy, zzz nobody is going 2 read ur gay words
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//////////Reply by oui
//////////Posted September 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
@Troy,
WELL SAID!
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//////////Reply by chrysler5thavenue
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 12:07 am
@Troy,
Good comment, especially the parts about reactive culture vs. complimentary meta-culture, although maybe you meant “complementary”? Not sure.
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//////////Reply by polecat
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
@chrysler5thavenue,
LOL @ you for reading the entire thing just for a typo.
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//////////Reply by chrysler5thavenue
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
@polecat,
Like I said, I’m not sure it’s a typo. It depends on what he meant. Also, didn’t read it 4 the typo, read it for the insight and had questions. Maybe your thirst 4 irony is affecting your comprehension?
//////////Reply by Troy Howard
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
@chrysler5thavenue, I’d say both are correct, though it was a typo. “complimentary” supports the idea of “borrowing of art is considered one of the highest forms of praise”, and “complementary” meaning the two cultures complement each other (though they are significantly different)
The nature and details of the complementary relationship is an interesting thing to consider… it’s symbiotic, and I do believe it continues the meta-narrative of musical history.
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//////////Reply by tangletwister
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 5:16 am
@Troy, no, don’t tell me, let me guess, you did po mo literature in university? You know what else it ‘meta’? My ballbag.
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//////////Reply by Troy
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 5:52 am
@tangletwister, No university for me. I’m a highschool dropout and I spent that period of my life flipping burgers by day and by night recording and performing in bands that.. *gosh* used samples in the music… but pomo lit is fun.
Lyotard hit it pretty much on the head when he wrote “Where, after the metanarratives, can legitimacy reside?”.. Seems to be the same question our gracious blog master posted, doesn’t it? Is there really any refuge where legitmacy can hide?
That is sort of my point though — in spite of the encroaching death of culture that our current post-modern culture would have us accept, there is still legitimacy in art happening, and it can be (and I think should be) appreciated for what it is.
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//////////Reply by bryon
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 10:22 am
@Troy,
The new legitimacy / authenticity is to deny that these abstractions are possible / plausible.
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/09/jay-z_gives_ten_reasons_why_po.html
//////////Reply by hot indie chick
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am
@Troy,
ew. no college? sorry but I would never date you, you loser.
//////////Reply by Troy Howard
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
@bryon, That article was a great read.
//////////Reply by chrysler5thavenue
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
@Troy,
Did you mean “complimentary” or “complementary”? Need to know. Kind of lost right now.
//////////Reply by truth
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 5:42 am
@Troy, you’re telling the truth. nice post man.
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//////////Reply by Ptitta
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 11:30 am
@Troy,
That Was Some Real Shit Bro
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//////////Reply by Bertrand DeNovo
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
@Troy, I didn’t read your comment.
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//////////Reply by xoxo
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
@Troy,
h8 that i will never read this. h8 that too-long things exist. h8 that life is short.
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//////////Reply by asdsdv
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
@Troy, you wrote “Windows Move Maker, FruityLoops, and Abelton Live are the pianos and accordions of this generation.”
not at all! good music comes from understanding of music as a craft. those programs can allow you to make music that sounds good–but can’t allow you to understand why it sounds good–pianos/acordions can.
this is what happens when you have a generation of kids that are ignorant of the tradition of making music. ppl with an ear for what sounds “good” can only piece together old songs from a time when ppl actually understood songwriting/performance as a craft.
And please don’t compare the level of musical palgerism in Daft Punk to anything that’s ever happened in another genre. never. they’re the equivalent of taking a book, changing the font and re selling it with their name on it.
these songs are catchy now, but what happens when we run out of shit to sample, i guess we’ll all be standing around listening to alarm clocks–oh wait. PLEASE EVERYONE, LEARN HOW MUSIC WORKS.
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//////////Reply by Oh No, Oh My
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
@Troy thanks for the apology/warning
saved myself some massive reading
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//////////Reply by douchebag
//////////Posted September 27th, 2009 at 10:49 am
@Troy, this subject always produces such passionate but polarized reactions in people who write, play or simply enjoy music.
recall having a blazing row with some guy in a crappy band who was very anti-’sampling’, because it was not ‘original’.
I asked him whether his band played a dominant 7th resolving to the major in any of his songs (eg. G7 to CMaj). apparently, he did. so i asked him whether he had ‘invented’ this chord progression, and of course, he did not. music is full of tried and tested chord progressions and melodic ‘devices’.
my point is music has been sampling itself since day one, either through familiar or standard chord progressions, scales, or now samples. no tune is ever truly ‘original’, like scientific progress, it stands on the shoulders and context of all the music that has ever come before.
well i think you’re right anyway. samples ARE the pianos and accordions of our generation.
but I think the technology to produce sample based music is only half the story here – the other half is the unprecedented, unlimited and almost zero cost access to the entire history of recorded music.
unlike chords and scales, we’ll never run out of samples. how many hours of recorded must exist in the world right now? it must be millions.
never before in the history of music have so many pieces of recorded music been so easily accessible to so many people.
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am i supposed to appreciate the original artist for making the music to later be sampled?
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//////////Reply by Troy
//////////Posted September 23rd, 2009 at 11:48 pm
@mrjeffers, appreciate whatever speaks to you, and who cares about the rest of it. that said.. i like Lauren Hill and Otis Redding way more than Kanye
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i just played all the clips at once and made my own sample-based chillcore mashmix.
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//////////Reply by Troy
//////////Posted September 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 pm
@Pat, record that shit and post it you creative bastard
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//////////Reply by anonyt
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 2:28 am
@Pat, “sample-based chillcore mashmix”
still LOLing
think i’m gonna make that the name of my first child
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//////////Reply by SilveroTellerson
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
@anonyt, lol
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Sampling is an interesting phenomenon. It has created genres, like Hip-Hop and French House (where tracks are often created by looping a few bars of a song you like and adding accompaniment) or Jungle (where the “Amen Break” is spliced in a million possible ways to create music that will release the Tarzan inside of you).
The only way to criticize sampling is how you do it. I think sampling is respectable if it was done at a time it was considered innovative. Today, if you sample blatantly, it should be considered shameful. HOWEVER, if you do it intelligently, there’s nothing wrong with that. Q-Tip’s “The Renaissance” featured samples to respect Hip-Hop, but he didn’t let it become the music. I think that’s the fine line. The Chemical Brothers did A LOT of sampling, but their approach invented new material out of bits and pieces from the past. Sampling is a new way to create music and can be beautiful if done honestly and creatively.
They way you’ve revealed Washed Out and Neon Indian makes them look pathetic, lazy, and desperate to be recognized as an artist. Those songs should be called “Classic/Rare Jam” (Wannabe Blogstar Remix). Unfortunately, the only thing that will truly make that decision is one’s artistic integrity versus strive to become famous.
Also, don’t hate on Daft Punk! They are very intelligent artists! The sampling on Discovery was a nod to their work on Homework, which also contained sampling (ie Revolution 909 and High Fidelity). A lot of House was produced to make 5-minute wide-ride tracks out of 5-second snippets. Their work is respectable if you look at it contextually.
Tavis
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//////////Reply by flowers4alger-anon
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 7:32 am
@Tavis, r u the bro that used 2 b in reel big fish?
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//////////Reply by the fink
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 10:28 am
@flowers4alger-anon, HAHAHAHA, luv u, right down to yr username and the gang gan ref below
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//////////Reply by Tavis
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
@flowers4alger-anon,
nah dude. I’m the Tavis from PBS
keep the faith
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//////////Reply by flowers4alger-anon
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
@Tavis, awwww shucks! miss u rbf. h8 that all ur instruments were destroyed in the great horn fire of 2k5 and u can’t play n e more. was ‘looking forward to’ ur next album. damn.
seriously people? who listens to electro based music expecting true originality or something completely novel? (unless yr listening to some pretty far out IDM ‘ish) who gives a flying fffffff if people sample other people’s music?
you’re completely missing the point of why people make music/songs.
mozart and classical composers didn’t invent the arrangements or melodies, etc they used to comprise their symphonies. they borrowed heavily from each other. rock n roll has a long history of the same. hip hop/rap is derived from borrowing and sampling.
thinking electro/chillwavecore or whatever will be any different is naive.
this shouldn’t be a big deal at all.
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//////////Reply by jvac
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 8:39 am
@boards, its not a big deal. some people just prefer to listen to original things instead of old things. not really sure if i’m “missing the point of why people make music” but i prefer to hear something that isnt a carbon copy of someone else’s music, doesnt really matter if they tweaked it slightly to make it ‘their own’, still seems like its not original to me.
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//////////Reply by boards
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
@jvac, then that’s fine. i think the point of people making music is for it to be enjoyed. that’s the only benchmark music has to achieve. is it enjoyable to hear? does it move you in some way?
there’s probably a million musicians who make mind-blowingly original music but if it’s not enjoyable to hear then who cares how original it is.
i think we’re on the same page here.
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//////////Reply by ¥0@u skoobydoo
//////////Posted September 26th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
@boards, but the fact that its unoriginal makes me see the actual sound in a bad light. the artist itself makes a huge impact on the way their art is perceived
yeah washed out and neon indian are really ACHING for popularity. their huge outpouring of music is proof-positive they’re in it for the fame and fortune.
i’m sure if you asked them about their samples they’d be quite up front about it.
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Yawn. No one will remember any of these blog bands in two years anyways. It’s like worrying about the popular kids in high school. No one gives a fuck about flash-in-the-pans. 90% of these people making this stuff will be filling insurance returns for 45 hours a week in 5 years.
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//////////Reply by tangletwister
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 5:14 am
@Haakon,
LOLZ
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These ‘bands’ are poser faggots, any band that doesnt play in the original TR00 KVLT style of BATHORY doesnt have the right to call themselves black metal, they only have the right to make me laugh sardonically.
HAILS
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i want 2 b the oh shit gang gang bro
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:’(
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“Searching for a ‘new aesthetic’ now that summer is over. Want a new ‘movement’ to ‘get jacked up about’/listen to on my iPoddy.”
Than hop onto the big bass House thats going to come out this winter, or the UK Funky Movement thats currently getting good coverage, or the massive amount of Indie Bands releasing records this Winter CRLS
Samples are allll over the music hemisphere, unless you want to listen to folk or a terrible experimental band.
The sample alert sticker looks proper
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maybe there’s a tendency for chillwave artists [aka people who are 'terminally chill'] to be so chill [via reduced brainwave activities] that they are more likely to experience that phenomenon where you come out of a dream/’drug high’/moment of blankly ‘fucking around on Ableton’ with a sweet ass riff without realizing that your subconsy is actually replaying stuff that u heard before verbatim and not piecing together old things in new ways like u’d hope. maybe these are ‘interesting case studies’.
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what is this, 1993? You pussies are still complaining about sampling? Grow up. 2 LIVE CREW 4 LIFE.
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I RLLY DNT CR IT HELPS ME CHILL
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feel like it doesn’t even matter b/c chill wave’s shelf life was like, 2 months.
kind of like mgmt. stuff was so good it was immediately dated.
noise rock dance jamz will be the next big thing
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Damn.. seeing that Kanye video makes me like Kanye more. I forgot how many dope songs he has. Too bad hes got serious issues and is a dick. But seriosuly. I would of never known most of those songs. Its dope to here the originals and tight to here the reinventions of them.
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//////////Reply by dumb faggot
//////////Posted September 24th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
@ON ON A Mis$, ya bro was just thinking the same thing
today is now ‘listen 2 every kanye album’ day
one bad morning… when this life is over… i’ll fly awaaayyyy…
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sad when I found out that some of my fave chillwave hits were actually ’sample-based songs.’ Not sure how to feel about this ‘epic chillwave scandal.’ Hope that the chillwave era wasn’t just a sham. Feeling naked (metaphorically), not sure who or what 2 believe.
[sampling comments now]
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http://www.theseminal.com/2007/06/19/5-reasons-to-hate-indie-rock/
just wanted to show you how ignorant people are
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//////////Reply by chan
//////////Posted September 25th, 2009 at 9:35 am
@Elena,
Ugh, a mainstream thinking he has any idea what indie is. The Strokes my dick? Modest Mousie?
Tanks 4 posting dat link.
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//////////Reply by ¥0@u skoobydoo
//////////Posted September 26th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
@Elena, AAAAhhhhhhhhh i want to fucking comment SO BAD
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DJs make house music for people to dance to at clubs/bars/your friend’s studio apartment. Most house artists start out as DJs, and then move on to make their own sample-based, looped tracks to play at ze discotec. In my mind, that makes them an entirely different animal. Is chillwave different? yeah, for some reason, I think it is. It’s made to be blogged about and chilled to. Because of this, they should be XtREmElY upfront about their samples. It seems like a lot people, including me, didn’t realize how much of this music was sampled.
but then again, who really gives a shit?
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all forms are known and have been known for some time now, presently everything creative takes something from past creations, nothing is original nothing is new, art is cannibalism.
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NO it is not authentic. Real music is played on instruments, by people, in real time.
Rappers get a free pass because their vocals are the focal point of their music and the 4 bar loops are only there to support the vocals. But how excited does anyone ever get over seeing a rapper perform? They are usually too fucked up on weed and Henn to even get their verses out.
I suspect this is the reason that my bandmates, as well as so many other people who fashion themselves trendy alts, hate on 80s heavy metal- no one is good enough at their instruments nowadays to play shit like that (btw MIDI keyboards do not count as intruments. Get a Nord and then we’ll talk).
Finally, Girl Talk is TOTALLY LAME. Not because he stands up there like a tool tweaking his little knobs, and not because he doesn’t actually compose any tunes, but rather, because his “songs” lack all semblance of coherence and are just aimless combinations of samples that don’t add up to jack squat. And the whole toilet paper thing seems like a marketing gimmick.
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//////////Reply by dsc
//////////Posted September 25th, 2009 at 10:27 am
@Iceberg, u r a fggt.
‘fucked up on weed’
hah
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Feel like I was happier and less confused when this whole ‘ChillWave’/'GheyWayve’ crave wasn’t consuming everyone. Just want to go back to the times when we could all chill to Bangers by Ed and them… Worried that if we embrace the ghey wave movement we might all become little faggits sooner than anticipated. Careful ya’ll. unless, of course, your looking forward to becoming a little faggot [via cumming out of the closet]
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what does every1 really expect, this is all a spin off of dj based music. now we are/have been transitioning from bloghouse to remixes and now to this indie chillwave shit that to me sounds like hip hop half the time.
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if you make a movie out of other movies yr a fraud
if you make a book out of other books yr a fraud
if you make a painting out of other paintings yr a fraud
if you make a song out of other songs yr legit.
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//////////Reply by mvds
//////////Posted September 26th, 2009 at 6:00 am
@anon,
yeah andy warhole was a total fraud.
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//////////Reply by seph
//////////Posted January 18th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
@mvds, yep just like Sergio Leone, George Lucas, Tarantino, Shakespeare, Roy Lichestein and a very long etc.
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Skill is skill. Some people are lazy, and sloppy, and if they make sample-based music, it will sound lazy and sloppy and like they dialed it in. Some are meticulous, creative, original, and when they use samples, they are going to be creating something unique and original, but that never could have existed before without the samples they are using.
The only problem is that as a music fan, you will pick up on many of these samples and realize that others will think that it’s an original piece of music, then you’ll get all high and mighty with your valuable music knowledge. Happens to me all the time, and I’ve noticed, many “normal” music fans really could care less if you point out what song they like is sampled from. They might roll their eyes at ya.
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I love sample based music
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Chillwave is dead. Fuck these posers.
Created AND killed by CRLS.
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Is my life just 1 lil remix? :[[[
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//////////Reply by chan
//////////Posted September 25th, 2009 at 7:59 am
@chan,
ya
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//////////Reply by chan
//////////Posted September 25th, 2009 at 8:00 am
@chan,
ya (chan reremix)
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i am going to be the electric interpretation of CRLS/HRO. CRLS completes me.
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i mean… computer software is tricky. a lot tricker than playing the four chords to an ac/dc song or some shit.
music is music is music is music is
besides, with only 8 notes out there, how far can originality go? time to make up new notes? ABCDEFG… H?
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this blog fucking sucks
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Writing, arranging, performing, recording, branding, promoting, consuming and appreciating music are all different things. Disc Jockeys consume, appreciate, brand, promote, and sometimes arrange music. When you arrange someone else’s songs without adding any ‘original content’, that’s called a mixtape, with optional cover art, and when you arrange parts of peoples’ songs into a new song, its called a medley. Where were U when U found out that Jive Bunny and the Mastermixers weren’t a ‘real band’?
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chillwave is the apathetic representation of our generation, consumption and regurgitation yo!
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just another artform. anyone who discredits “artistic integrity” because it’s made up mostly samples is a narrow-minded twit.
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Are we using techno-ology to ‘create’ music or does the fact that ro-bro people listen to techbro-logically enhanced music testify to the reversability of the statement?–methinks. Will this superfluity inspire the ‘return’ of acoustic music?–methinks.
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//////////Reply by Seth Stubbs
//////////Posted September 26th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
@Seth Stubbs, Will anyone even read this? Will they refute me? Will I be ‘humiliated’?
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//////////Reply by a_nonnie_muss
//////////Posted September 26th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
@Seth Stubbs, ‘all of the above’. Looks like ur going 2 have 2 ‘c.y.o.a.’
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I once tried using “sampling” or copying in real life to impress a girl. I cleverly used a joke stolen from a stand-up comedy act at an opportune time in our conversation. Thinking the coincidence of this chick having actually seen the stand-up and even more impossible, remembering that particular joke. Man was I wrong. She picked me right off. For a split second I knew how much of a douche Kanye must feel like at every moment for taking from other people.
The moral here: be original.
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y isn’t ne1 posting sum sweetass sample material??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nHV6MAA1K8
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hmm yeah. who cares?
this blog is srsly unrelevant. bah.
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sampling controversy? is the current year 1986?
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I like washed out. Drowns me down like in a deep blue sea. The dude decided that the job market sucks so he moved back home to his folks and started making music. I think that’s cool and I might do the same.
ps: Anybody can match a new song with an old one and say it’s a rip-off, its not hard you just have to search really hard. Everybody copies each other, one way or the other. There ain’t no pure authenticity.
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o no…..walkabout = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_YE7B2pKTo
h8 life
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100th comment.
whurr my shurt @
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Feel quite ripped off.. And tbh I did not know they were THIS much sampled, should call it a cover.
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fuck my life
you are all ghey
buy my new album
it’s more than okay
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Samplers and Ableton are great.
Most of the good loop based music of the last 30 years is sample based in part or totally (house, techno, jungle, garage, dubstep, chillwave, hip hop, ambient music, post rock, etc etc)
what about manipulating found sounds into completely different sounds? What about sampling a synth line and chopping it into individual notes and resequencing it for a bassline?
And all you people that are against chillwave and sampling, do you like AnCo? Pavvy is completely based on sampling… the foundation of their current sound is the SP-555 and SP-404 (both are awesome!!!), and Panda Bear’s Person Pitch was made with the SP-555 reworking older songs, chopping them, resampling his own vocal samples and found sounds, etc. Sampling is foundational to post-modern music and the end of history. Modernism is dead and so are completely new sounds, so now we have to either reappropriate older things and mix them in interesting ways, or completely reuse older stuff but change it beyond recognizability and turn it into something else… all yall need to read your philosophies and the k-punks blogs on hauntology.
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