As yall know, in the 2k9 post-AnCoGrizzPhoenixBear world, the indiesphere generated a new genre of music to love/follow/listen 2 called ‘chillwave.’ Most authentic alts were there to watch the chillwave genre ‘get off the ground’, getting ‘tons of mad blog hype buzz’ from relevant mp3 blog tastemakers. Now that chillwave has grown up a lil bit, chillwave artists are required to ‘tour’, and take their band/brand to the next level.
A key element of the chillwave era was that the members of your band/project were required to be unknown/from an obscure place. Sorta weird how these bands consisting of ‘Jim Nobody from Nowhereville USA’ are now becoming ‘must-see’ acts on ‘the festival circuit’, etc. Sorta feel pressured to see them before ‘too many people know about them.’ I honestly feel like the first time I see a blogbuzz band live will be the last time I see them. I guess the Arcade Fire was right when they said, “Funeral.”
These are the three ‘largest’ chillwave artists, and an analysis of their live performances.
Live Performance: Washed Out (A much ‘hyped’ CMJ debut in NYC).
As you can see, WASHED OUT bro went with a ‘1 man band behind a Macbook’ setup, utilizing some ’sweet visuals’, and also doing some live singing. It seems to be a good representation of the music, but how can Washed Out convert his show into a ‘touring machine.’ Maybe he could ‘only play concerts in water parks [via wave pools] or something. I am not sure if WashedOutBro will have enough money to purchase a ‘daft punk pyramid.’ Maybe he could rent it while Daft Punk is not touring.
I sorta wish all bands had some sort of megastructure, similar to the Daft Punk Pyramid. It seems like concerts might be more exciting that way.
Photo via rez avissar
I have heard live reviews calling Ernest Greene ‘very attractive.’ It seems like he has the opportunity to brand himself as ‘one of the most handsome men in indie music’, sort of attracting tons of females to his shows, and building up alternative resentment [via untalented/angsty altbros]. Ultimately, this model was ‘very successful’ for Panda Bear’s live show. I think Washed out should ‘build solid visuals’, and then protect his brand by ‘only playing relevant shows where he can make mad bank.’ Possibly try to crowd out the ‘generic DJs’ and steal their potential earnings.
Live Performance: Neon Indian
Neon Indian was apparently ‘1 bro making an album in his bedroom’, but his live performance consists of 3 additional band members. It seems like the ‘4 person band’ model is ‘very cross-over-able.’ This is important to capture the attention of mainstream bros, etc. Most mainstreamers can really only consume live music if there is ‘a band of 3+ members’ or if there is a rap crew milling around on stage.
I am not sure what my expectations of Neon Indian are. Did I want them to ‘be a band’, ‘be 1 bro on stage’, or maybe just ‘be the next AnCo.’ It seems like it might be ‘economically feasible’ to lay off one of the band members and work towards a mainstream+conceptual textural live show. It seems like they really ‘look like a band.’ I feel like the Neon Indian bro might be implementing a boy-band-esque formula, where the members of the band are disposable & constantly feel pressure to add value/’look like a member of an alt band’/understand their role in the overall project.
Seems like Neon Indian might become one of those ‘bands that plays at every festival’/comes to my local alt scene 2x per year. Has the genre of ’sorority girls who go to music festivals’ already caught on to Neon Indian?
Live Performance: Memory Tapes/Memory Cassette
Apparently, this ‘chillwave’ band does not perform live. I feel like this band was actually ‘pre-chillwave’ but sort of got ‘lumped in afterwards’ just cuz they had a few chillwave characteristics, but didn’t really make pure chillwave music. I will probs download free MP3s by this band 4evr, but won’t buy their vinyls until I am a rich bro in a meaningful loft with a shelf of vinyls.
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Which chillwave band has the best/worst live model?
Which chillwave band will ‘make it’/'go mainstream’/be ‘the most authentic’?
Which chillwave band will u see first?
Which chillwave band will lead to the implosion of the chillwave genre?
Which chillwave artist will escape/out-live the chillwave era?
What’s ur #1 musical memory of 2k9?
Previous Chillwave coverage
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2009/07/is-washed-out-the-next-neon-indianmemory-cassette.html
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48 Comments
first I made it!
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//////////Reply by melbourne
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
@kbiz, can we get more pics of the female neon indian band member…
not really sure if female band members are authentic/credible (esp if not singing), but maybe she’s alice glass v2.0
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//////////Reply by diana
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
@melbourne,
neon girl is not hot. alice glass is.
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//////////Reply by melbourne
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 4:05 am
@diana, we need photos to establish this…
is this her?: http://superhumanoids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/3252826330_9177f86ff1_o.jpg
//////////Reply by chong
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
@melbourne,
4rlz got a semi from the f1st vid
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//////////Reply by aww shit
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
@kbiz,
mayb chillwave should have some plus size models
seems like the hipster scene is getting fat
e.x. : new AA ad’s
http://www.caliselect.com/lookbook
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//////////Reply by aw, fukk
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 12:28 am
@aww shit, wtf is this bro
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//////////Reply by aw, snap
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 7:19 am
@aw, fukk, 4 rlz
sekund
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Music is dead
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//////////Reply by kbiz
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
@Truly Hipstronic, the rat is dead [via CSS]
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//////////Reply by ol strato
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
@Truly Hipstronic, no i agree music is dead
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Chillwave bands doing live shows?!?!?
Chillwave Is Dead.
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Chill wave? Is that like ‘dance music for old people’?
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chill wave is bomb. y’all
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Music is in such a strange state right now. On the one hand there is so much affordable music-making technology available. However, no one pays for music and if one guy tries to tour by himself it appears boring, not to mention it is extremely expensive for the artist. I fear that with the profit aspect of music making now evaporated, that innovative/challenging/technically proficient music will diminish. I do not think that things will stay this way forever. As bandwidth increases and people start stealing FILMS on a massive scale like how they now steal/swap/share (whatever you want to call it) music, the movie industry will pull as many strings as they can in Washington to make it stop. Hollywood is so much more powerful than the music industry. Just look at the credits of any movie. There are literally tens of thousands of people (camera/wardrobe/makeup/catering/sound/editing/CGI people…the list is infinite and equates to a virtual Army) working for the Hollywood content machine. When they start to see their profits shrinking they will not be quiet about it. They will cause a big change. This might take 5 to 10 years, but the free content/downloading party will end someday. Then innovation will begin to arise. I think we will be entering (or may already be in…this whole decade is nothing but 1980’s nostalgia. Is this a throwback of our collective psyche to return to a simpler time because of the horror/trauma of 9/11? [it did set the stage for the whole 000’s.]) a creative dark age soon however.
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//////////Reply by wisp
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
@Lord B, hey. i didnt read this because its too long.
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//////////Reply by d00dz
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
@Lord B,
tl;dr
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//////////Reply by flowers4alger-anon
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
@Lord B, feel like 9/11 gave me scabies
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//////////Reply by plifter
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
@Lord B,
nah, music is nothing more than art. Its sad that our society has made you think that the artist is entitled to a material aspect because of what he/she created. We have to understand art is priceless, not a marketing plan that we try to classify the masses with. 80’s nostalgia going on? duh, but every decade of nostalgia is going on currently. Music is going through a phase just like society is right now. No matter what, good music will always be made, whether it will be heard to the masses for sales is a remedial attempt at trying to understand our “current state” of music.
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//////////Reply by alt girls are ugly
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 1:50 am
@Lord B, interesting.
but the haX0rs keep on haXing it, while Brooklyn keep on taking it, yo.
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//////////Reply by bcbm
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am
@Lord B, home taping is killing the music industry! vcr is killing the movie industry!
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thx for talking about neon indian, i appreciate this blog post
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//////////Reply by eyepatch
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 12:23 am
@aw, fukk, man neon is playing a free show on halloween in my town, but i have to work T_T
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//////////Reply by flowers4alger-anon
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 7:20 am
@eyepatch, what is work?
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I guess the Arcade Fire was right when they said, “Funeral.”
lololololol
anyway, I only recently got into Neon Indian, but, since my new favorite genre is (american) apparently “work-out music,” [via side poll] I’m suppaa down.
Feel like it kinda makes sense that these bands don’t tour a lot. Music made on a computer seems like it is probably meant to be listened to on one (or headphones or something), but music obviously made by people in a room is generally the kind of stuff i want to see live.
Dirty Projectors on Sunday yeaaaaaaaaaaahhh!
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//////////Reply by herro
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
@grant golland, oo i just saw dirty projies saturday. it was goooood. the opener was awesome too. the chick rocks drums up front AND sings.
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//////////Reply by EFF G.Gillies
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 7:06 am
@herro, god, if durty projectors came to my city – i hope i wouldn’t even know about it. i mean, like i already lived through 2k8 – with 2k10 upon us — why would i want to watch such a dated band. srsly, the idea of going 2 a durty projectors show strikes me as just “really behind the curve” right now.
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//////////Reply by herro
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
@EFF G.Gillies, dang you just ruined my meaningful experience i had.
im gonna go DL Passion Pit now bai :0
what r u going 2 b for halloween?
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//////////Reply by god
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
@HJ,
i am going 2 b bebe’s freak (on)
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//////////Reply by HJ
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 11:53 am
@god, kewl, ima b an alt pumpkin
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chillwave is bad. i would go to a live concert if i wanted to fall asleep.
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//////////Reply by jvac
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 10:13 am
@kool kat klub, for realz. wish music was still awesome.
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yep. chillwave is dead. i think it was dead right out of the womb.
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//////////Reply by b4hc
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
@wisp, ~~, can’t listen to any of this shit for more than 0:12
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MUTHAFUCK Y’ALL
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Feel like I want to be Washed Out bro – just me and my MacBook.
Maybe I should start a band advertising Hornitos (via enhancing my personal brand), so meanigfulcore music can experience a resurgence.
Feel chillwave is better than most deem it to be. Feel bad for missing Washed Out at CMJ (via being a starving artist).
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//////////Reply by black mars
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
@Funky Rutabaga, werrd^
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seems like Neon Indian is way better live than Washed Out
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Carles actually invented chillwave. i think he is implying that he is in the indiesphere in this blogpost. insanely deep carles. insanely deep.
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is HRO really pitchfork? Hornitos!
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chillwave is allowing us to take a break from sweet electrodrugs before we requiemforadream ourselves out of our chill lives. chillwave is the pool after the hottub. chillwave is the hottub after the pool. chillwave is the pool after the hottub. chillwave is just part of life dudes
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//////////Reply by gnar sesh
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
@Molly, i love you
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//////////Reply by nonny
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
@Molly, i <3 u
can i steal this as my band bio?
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//////////Reply by flowers4alger-anon
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
@Molly, should have taken acid with yalls [via here comes the neon injian]
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//////////Reply by flowers4alger-anon
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 7:25 am
@flowers4alger-anon, feel like this is the third reference 2 this song ‘this week’
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//////////Reply by chong
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
@flowers4alger-anon,
feel likes its ther best song
xcited for possible here comes the neon indian remix
Your posts are too long
And fucking hate your new ads too, why do I even bother anymore this site is just annoying now
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//////////Reply by flowers4alger-anon
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
@May, 4 real. why do u? off urself, maybe?
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//////////Reply by b4hc
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
@flowers4alger-anon, <3
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‘this site is just annoying now’
jeru the damaja 2k10, yaaaall
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//////////Reply by black mars
//////////Posted October 27th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
@ol strato, DEL
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feel like i ‘need’ chillwave, or n e thing similar where i can totes ‘drop some acid’ and grind my cock against the broad in front of me and just chilllllllllllll. would prolly enjoy ‘the visuals’ if my eyes weren’t ‘rolled back in my head’ the whole time.
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//////////Reply by aw, fukk
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 12:33 am
@flowers4alger-anon,
bro, lets go get our grind on at a free neon indian concert, maybe this (deadbeat) summer?
‘lets just chill, bro’ — actual lyrics for every chillwavecore song
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neon indian should be producing some singer, not performing his shitty vocals over his chill beats.
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//////////Reply by flowers4alger-anon
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 7:26 am
@jesuschrist, may b he can do the soundtrack 4 kill bill vol. 3
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much love the for the 4 song ep Rewind While Sleeping by Mem Cassy.
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//////////Reply by flowers4alger-anon
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 7:27 am
@cobones, much <3 4 the 4 song ep 4_song_brick_bomb by the impossibles yall! [via austin, texas]
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dennis black, instant classic
whey tew fkn pocket
http://omg.ly/1PSk
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anythang vietcongdisco
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Chillwave is awful. If you want to relax pull out the ambient CDs.
It’s almost like if you get a bunch of random noises from your computer and put it together it’s pretty much chillwave.
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//////////Reply by flowers4alger-anon
//////////Posted October 31st, 2009 at 3:43 am
@Me!, the kind of ambient your refering to sucks
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r.i.p. chillwave
wavves will last longer than chillwave
the band Girls is better than chillwave and wavves
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//////////Reply by AstroCandy
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 1:24 am
@diana, jesus i love Girls.
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//////////Reply by FNKmstrFLX
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
@AstroCandy, GIRLS @GAMH_SF was #epic.
Mos def best chadgaze.
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//////////Reply by Funky Rutabaga
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
@diana, Chillwave > MnstrmChillwave. Girls made the best album released in 2009. Feel like a couple of bros makin’ music in San Fran is real relevant, y’all.
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//////////Reply by Funky Rutabaga
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
@Funky Rutabaga, Chillwave > MnstrmChillwave. Girls made the best album released in 2009. Feel like a couple of bros makin’ music in San Fran is real relevant, y’all.
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kinda ‘love chillwave’.
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it’s weird how people are ’suffering’ and old people lose their jobs and identity and houses and shops close and everything is basically fucked everyones lost and then you go out on the streets and everything is the same just the sound of cars and people and the buildings are indifferent and american pain is just silent like everything and the world might / might not end.
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yall, lemme be real with yall for a second and talk about Washed Out like I did in another post, but it was irrelevant at that time.
the one show that he played in NYC last week (the one the video was taken from) was hella awkward. I don’t know if it’s immediately noticeable in the YouTube video, but that’s him singing poorly over his ’studio’ vocal track. the show started off with some really odd, ’somber’ piano songs with some random bro who was probably his uncle. then it was kind of a relief when he started playing his songs that we’re familiar chilling out to, but nothing REALLY improved. he just played the songs and did awkward stuff like clapping for himself and raising his hands in the air to the crowd to ‘get more pumped to clap with him/for him’. no improvisation, just really ‘DJing’ his tracks and doing ‘karaoke’ if ‘karaoke’ had vocal tracks also.
I can understand that this was his first show, and that’s fine, but it was odd to see in this setting. in the past, someone with this amount of hype playing in a packed new york venue will have ‘cultivated’ a ‘decent’ live show by that point and will have developed at least somewhat of a ’stage presence’. Washed Out bro had none of this experience, yet he played on the same ‘level’ as ‘experienced’ musicians and ‘musicians we’d assume would have a great live show’ already. I know this is very obvious that this sort of stuff would be the case when looked at from the Internet-perspective, as we saw the chillwave genre grow up on blogs (the first full genre ever to do this?), but actually seeing them plucked from the Pitchforks/HROs/GvBs/private torrent sites really makes the ‘reality’ of it all hit. the ‘rock star persona’ is irrelevant in this case. and in Washed Out’s, the history of ever guaranteeing a successful show/turnout isn’t either.
I compare this to something we kind of ‘experimented’ with in 2k7, with sensation Tay Zonday. the quality of music is different – we laughed at/with Tay’s songs and genuinely ‘cool out’ to chillwave, the artist is in the same position. insane internet hype leading them to mass exposure in traditional ‘arenas, like how Tay played shows with Girl Talks/Dan Deacon and was on Kimmel within a month/months after being meme’d. and he was hella awkward.
really I think this only REALLY applies to Washed Out’s case… since Neon Indian has played shows before and kind of ‘has it naturally’ and Memory Tapes is the dude from Hail Social who has toured before but just doesn’t want to know because he ‘doesn’t want to’.
all I’m sayin is, interesting case… interesting times we in. I know ‘long posts’ aren’t wanted on HRO… people seem to just want to generate ironic hate/love. but since this IS a healing place for alts who think a lot, I hope we can all band together and think about this genre. just want to generate feelings.
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//////////Reply by SoBroUdontEvenKnow
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 3:17 am
@skybeard, used to play in a world beat group with a DJ. Was often like karaoke. Thievery Corp Lite. Felt like I’d sold my soul or something.
Live electronic music is one of those things that very, very few bands do well. Not sure if n e 1 listens to hippy music n e more but Sound Tribe Sector 9 is good at making it sound like they’re doing more than pushing buttons.
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//////////Reply by 1000freeipods
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 3:23 am
@skybeard,
Holy shit skybeard. That was really well put.
“a healing place for alts who think a lot”
i could see a new logo/re-brand for HRO perhaps with a band-aid on the current font. Maybe a neon band-aid, due to “bleeding neon/neon blood.”
i guess we all need that ‘lil bit of healing.
We need to learn from our Tay Zonday past… hopeful in 2k10..
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//////////Reply by EFF G.Gillies
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 7:10 am
@skybeard, hey that NYC show wasn’t his first show.
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//////////Reply by daffy
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 11:59 am
@skybeard, thank you ryan schreiber.
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//////////Reply by Mike
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Yeah, that video of his show looked pretty underwhelming.
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Don’t you think the washed out name was damned to be washed out? I mean for the most part the name you pick resembles something that you represent. By the way this chill wavvvve thing is pure hype. Good, yes, long term, no. Welcome to the second wave one hit wonders [via bitch ain't 1]
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I think chillwave artists are kinda afraid 2 go live cause they forgot how 2 play the stuff they recorded. just recorded stuff high and then got famous one day. washed out just pretends 2 do stuff i heard from my bro. said he saw him touchin buttons that dont really do anything or somethin, i dont know, i dont know how 2 make machines play what i want no matter how much i touch them. Washed out bro just slowly jams up there and looks cute, he sings but no 1 is sure if its really words or not. Heard from this chick he sings his groceries list.
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I think we should start a Chillwave Listing Project/’Genome’ where we compile a list of all ‘clear and distinct’ chillwave artists and how they function within the genre
I’m gonna try to start
Top ‘Dawgs’:
Neon Indian
Washed Out
Memory Tapes/Memory Cassettes/Weird Tapes
2nd rate buzz bands that u forgot about because they stopped getting buzz or have difficult names:
Delorean
Tory Y Moi
jj
A poor man’s chill:
Small Black
Universal Studios Florida
Questionably ‘chillwave’/more so fitting an unnamed, varied lo-fi genre that emerged in late 2008/early 2009 but now seems like a different breed of chillwave in the present context (possibly proto-chill):
Ducktails
Air France
Nite Jewel
U.S. Girls
can anyone add to this? possibly look up some Last.fm ’similar artists’?
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//////////Reply by b4hc
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 11:02 am
@shiny, miss u ducktails/realestate bands……
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//////////Reply by grant golland
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 11:24 am
@b4hc, <3 u, jj and delorean
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//////////Reply by chong
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
@grant golland,
yeah deloreans ep is great, and they make good remixes
//////////Reply by daffy
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
@shiny, Tory Y Moi is super annoying. fdsa!!!!
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//////////Reply by gamazard
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
@shiny, jj and delorean could hardly b considered chillwave
forgotten buzzbands, yes
but not chillwave
either way i sitll like both
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//////////Reply by Yeahsir
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
@gamazard,
Candy Claws???????
The next logical move for chill wave… incorporates gfs/bfs
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//////////Reply by gamazord
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
@Yeahsir, wtf are you talking about
//////////Reply by good for nothing
//////////Posted November 15th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
@Yeahsir, forsure, candy claws are sick
//////////Reply by Funky Rutabaga
//////////Posted October 28th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
@shiny, Is HRO turning into GBV?
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Glad someone had the sense to say memory tapes ISN’T chill wave.
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chillwave is so y2k9.4
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hey ya’ll know any other cool chillwave bands i can check out?
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Got an email bout a week ago from Mr. Tapes saying that a live show is in the works. Cool since he’s from about a half hour from where I live. Better not go play New York… I think Memory/Weird/Cassette Tapes is more bedroomDAWave than chillwave.
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mem tapes is the only one worth listening to
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washed out looks like he sucks like. nigga lookin like he was straight singing over his recorded track.
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chillwave transcendz hype/lasting genre themes.. peeps who like it will forever understand it and be healed by it. peepz will continue to make music in the same vein and it may need no name…
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Scarlett Johanny invented Chill-wave and glo-fi on her Tommy waitz covering debut. Why doesn’t Carlez ever talk about that?
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needs more ‘chillwave.’ happy halloween ya’ll, go get them fever ray and tobacca mixes!
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Havn’t been in HR room for while/// got to jewish/hebrew centrik..now evenworse.Like Perry no talent Farrell who only employs Jewish cntric bands for Lalajewlazza and even jewish owned vendors as much as.. Hangs with his rabbi.all racist crap..”..recognise none of it until it i opressive..don’t care bout peoples reif=gion gender..but HR reeely does..we are the chosen’..man sliding backward again..and excluding others.. Neon Indian is a ball of crapolski and u know it..toodles..
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100st
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ey hipsta fools. dis chillwave joint is da ishhh, but da neon indians already went mnstrm; like 60 peeps own ‘psychic chasms’. dey iz practically coldplay bros. ya’ll check dis band called da sneaker pimps. no day aint no mustard pimp. NAHH TRICK. no french edbangeraltjusticeuffie2006janks. dis da chillwave shytz sonn.
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I saw Vega over the summer and I didnt even know that was the lead singer of Neon Indian!
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