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Tue, 2011-10-25 11:53 | by Carles

Link: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/15966-audio-video-disco

Back in the bloghouse era, every one had high hopes for Justice (also known as The Jousteeces). Ppl were all like 'they are the next Daft Punk' and 'their sound is so progressive. They will take over the world.' But it's been like 3-4 years since their last album '✞' came out. These days when u see a '✞', u think of a rapegaze buzzband. Now it seems like they 'waited too long', dubstep took over the genre that they could have steered, and now they are on 'the outside looking in' when it comes to the lucrative dubstep scene. I'm sure they will still make 'mad DJ $$$', but at the same time, they definitely lost tons of electro marketshare.

Anyways, Pitchfork gave them a 5.3, which means that they either wrote a 'massive piece of poo' album, or that they are completely irrelevant and no1 should listen 2 them. Wonder if Justice is 'mainstream enough' for a p4k score not 2 matter. Maybe there is a French p4k.

Should they have written a dubsteppy album?
Is their banger sound 'old and tired'?
Is Audio Video Disco the 'biggest tank' of 2k11?

Justice might have completely 'effed themselves over'. Did time pass them by?

Their new direction is precocious, brave, and surprising even if it damns them by placing emphasis on qualities-- arrangement, fidelity, patience-- that Justice lack.

Though it sparked a still-running debate about the duo's credentials, †, by accessing unexplored levels of sleaze and cheese, actually fit into dance music's long, proud tradition of not giving a fuck. That they did this in a rock context-- leather jackets; big live show; loud, terrible mastering-- seemed at the time reverent of peak-era Daft Punk but in retrospect appears prescient: Deadmau5 and Skrillex headline festivals, hellbent on teasing out the most seizure-inducing mix of lighting and music possible. In 2011 anyone looking to beef about "real" dance music stares into a smaller barrel filled with bigger fish.

They keep mentioning that the album is a 'prog-rock' album. I don't even know what the eff that genre is, but it sounds irrelevant.

In this way, AVD is a natural progression for Justice. Their M.O. is bold irreverence, and they've found multiple ways to express it. Still, it's hard not to admire their choice: It threatens to alienate their core audience while endearing them to a group of fans unlikely to take up their cause (or realize they exist). Prog-rock has long been championed by experimental music fans for its complexity and ambition-- it was outsider art that made the mistake of actually selling records.

Here is a definitive PAN line:

The majority of AVD, though, is cheese-rock signifiers dressed up as dance music.

Srsly yall, this album is an 'effing disaster.'

Immersing yourself in the record is an exercise in liking Justice as a concept more while liking their actual output less. There's too much space between AVD and actual prog to accept that Justice are committed to this direction. They spent all their daring on concept, with little to spare for execution. Even for a duo as image-conscious and savvy as these guys, there is little style in their reduction.

I wonder if their career is 'over'.

Is Justice 'more authentic' than dubstep?
Did they write a terrible album?
Is this album better than their first?
Does n e 1 still care abt Jousteece?
Will they become 'the next Daft Punk'?
Are bangers 'effing dead'?
Do bangers 'live on' within dubstep drops?
Do u think they are jeally of Skrilly and Mau5y?
Is this the 'death knell' of bloghouse?
Are they still relevant alt celebs or just 'random French dudes'?
Is this a dark day for French indie?

Justice

DJ, Buzzband

Justice is a popular banger house electro group from France on Ed Banger Records.

Lists: Members of Justice, French, electro, bloghouse era, bangers

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by Ted Theodore Brogan (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 12:04

fuck, i really skimmed this.

by Broligamist (not verified) | Sun, 2011-10-30 08:38

Please remove the name "Mad

Please remove the name "Mad DJ $$$" from this post. i have copyrighted it as my dubstpr stage name

by BroBiden (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 12:14

pitchfork is judging on a

pitchfork is judging on a european scale (via metric systems)

by Captain Captain Industries (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 13:44

jolly good laugh!

by Bronosaurous (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 12:14

third

by spencer niemetz (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 12:15

wtf is dubstep

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wat-ous of naz-a-retth

by Brononymous (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 12:26

justice, daft punk, skrillex

justice, daft punk, skrillex and deadmaufive are all super irrelevant now and have def sold out to the lamestreem. 4 real.

by Brononymous (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 12:29

much rather have a new Daft

much rather have a new Daft Punk album

instead we get some crap Tron sndtrk

and daft punk lite 2.0 [via justice bros]

and dubstep effin sucks a major peen

worst "fad" music in ages

so happy when brostep, arcade firez, decemberists, and lana delrayz all die in a plane crash

by altstacle 1 (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 20:45

agreed bro

by Brononymous (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 12:31

There's more to life than

There's more to life than pitchfork pans.
Justice will live forever in P4k's 'Best New Albums' Category!

by Captain Captain Industries (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 13:43

I call bullshit; P4K truly

I call bullshit; P4K truly 'messed up' on this one. Felt as if it was one of the better releases this year.

Don't p4get about Justice.

by Brononymouusse (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 14:23

as always, you can't properly

as always, you can't properly pass judgement on justice until you see what they're doing live.

by disillusionbro | Tue, 2011-10-25 16:30

u sound so authentic u r

u sound so authentic u r giving me a complex

by Brononymous (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 16:46

Spinal Tap via French

Spinal Tap via French electrohouse, but not as funny as that might sound, no mini stonehenges either

by Brononymous (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 17:15

Srsly album sounds like a bit

Srsly album sounds like a bit of a joke. They even have the prog cliché of a fake fade out on one of the tracks. I seriously think they are taking the piss. That, or cross was a complete fluke that they just cannot repeat

by Buff Wings (not verified) | Tue, 2011-10-25 17:55

Timing is evrything,

Timing is evrything, BBs!

This shoulda come out in 2008. Now its a brostep world and the Justice sound is on top 10 lamestream radio. Id feel sry 4 them, but its ok cuz they dont hav souls [via Eurotrash atheism]

by Bro of the Semantics | Tue, 2011-10-25 18:25

I first read this post on

I first read this post on HRO. Then skimmed the p4k review. Saw that it was gonna focus on prog, got the gist thanks to carles' help as well. Then I went to google and found a stream of this album, via NME thx england.

the result? I like this album. It isn't quite what the first was, but it is still pretty sweet. now going to try to illegally download it. and after seeing jousteece at voodoo fest x years ago they are super legit and all this shit will sound awesome. and the fact that i saw them live gives me the right to pirate all their music for the rest of their/my life.

by Brononymous (not verified) | Wed, 2011-10-26 06:02

This album sounds awesome in

This album sounds awesome in theory but they just don't have the prog rock chops to pull it off.

At least with this album they didn't compress the shit out of it. If I want to I can listen to the whole thing without tiring out my ears unlike with Cross. Too bad there are only a couple good songs here.

by George Likes His Chicken Spicy (not verified) | Wed, 2011-10-26 08:52

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wow... they got 1.7 points

wow... they got 1.7 points lower than the New Coldplay album. That's saying something, ya'll.

by Burt Bunny (not verified) | Wed, 2011-10-26 09:26

I was not expecting this at

I was not expecting this at all! Unique angles...neverending dissection!

by bonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2011-10-26 14:59

I like 'AVN' better than the

I like 'AVN' better than the new M83. Way less 'challenging' and 'pretentious', this is a 'fun' record I feel I can listen to and 'enjoy'.

Feel like I am no longer on the p4k buzzbus. Lana Del Rey, Odd Future, shitty 3rd string 'dubstep' influenced crooners. 'Dubstep' as a genre. Can't believe how serious they appear to be about the lipster grifter. I need a new source of authentic buzz.

by Bro Diddley (not verified) | Wed, 2011-10-26 15:31

'Justice don't have the chops

'Justice don't have the chops for prog', and they 'can't deliver' on the music. But they never set out to make a noodley progressive rock album. They set out to make dance record that 'references' progressive rock, and that is what they've done.

by Brononymous (not verified) | Thu, 2011-10-27 20:30

Yeah dude pitchfork has

Yeah dude pitchfork has clearly gone off the rails. They rated that Coldplay shit above Justice? Coldplays shit is all sentimental tearjearker bullshit and weak attempts to move units in Asia (Chinese Princess? Give me a fucking break!). Pitchfork has kind of been losing me for a while but with this I really have ceased to take them seriously. I give a shit about their ratings about as much as Rolling Stone at this point i.e. not at all.

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